Curse

Schorny · Dec 08, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Siren

This suggestion is made for the "convenience." But it's not going to be a convenience, especially when some people realize they're still going to have to take manual control and actually pay attention to their positioning--which completely castrates the suggestion, like I've said before.

I don't know why I seem to be the only one who sees that. Is it too much of a philosophical argument? Someone tell me, please.

It is broken, no one argues about that. It just isn't fair that melee warriors get this feature and mele not-warriors don't get it. If it is broken or not, if it is usefull or not is an entirely different discussion with solutions on how to fix the pathfinding.

But this doesn't change the fact that melee-non-warriors can't use melee weapons to gain access to this feature.

I personally like the auto-follow feature and all of my friends use it too.

I wouldn't want to play catch-me-if-you-can with a monk who can then evade my axe strikes like arrows

I like the feature that I can move next to my target and active 'Eviscerate' and the target can be kiting atm and I still will hit him.

Pocketmancer Exe · Dec 08, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Before I bought the game, I was always under the impression that mesmers were going to melee. Well, I wonder if somebody from GW can tell us why they don't...

Chev of Hardass · Dec 08, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Pocketmancer Exe

Before I bought the game, I was always under the impression that mesmers were going to melee. Well, I wonder if somebody from GW can tell us why they don't...

They are melee, with Warrior secondary.

Now woould people get over it. Melee Weapons require Warrior primary or secondary to be effective. If you are not good enought to follow without the Melee auto follow, then you do not need the game to become easier for you, you need to become better for the game.

Buffing poor quality player = nerfing good players

Siren · Dec 08, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Schorny

I wouldn't want to play catch-me-if-you-can with a monk who can then evade my axe strikes like arrows

I like the feature that I can move next to my target and active 'Eviscerate' and the target can be kiting atm and I still will hit him.

This necessitates giving melee casters weapons...how? All I see that example necessitating is someone on your team using snares (like Pin Down, Crippling Shot, traps, Mesmer Illusion hexes, Ele Water magic hexes). Do you honestly believe that auto-follow can reach your target for you, when it's clear that Monk is moving in such a way that will nearly completely avoid you?

Be sensible. If you can't reach your target manually, the computer isn't going to be able to, because the computer is a complete moron when it comes to recognizing strategic movement.

And Schorny...it seems that people are arguing that pathfinding isn't broken. Think about it. Could this suggestion even be made in confidence if people understood the problem with AI pathfinding? Hell, would the suggestion have even been made in the first place if people actually understood the problem with AI pathfinding, and the ultimate contradiction in the end result in combat?

Again, is my argument simply too philosophical?

Aenimus, I just don't like half-baked ideas that rely on half-baked reasoning. This is one such half-baked idea that relies on half-baked reasoning. And your mention of V.Touch proves my point: through proper skill/energy management...the melee caster doesn't need melee weapons to stay close to melee range.

Kai Nui · Dec 09, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Agreed. I'm a mesmer and I play echo/blackout, which requires me to touch the opponent. I have to touch them, and since echo is already 1337, I'm forced to not have IW. Which really stinks, so I have to swap secondary to Warrior and use some points in swordsmanship. Whee, swordsmanship 2...

Also, when monks run and I use the cane, it's a pain to follow, but if I have the sword and can black them out, I'm able to follow them. I use Ethereal Burden and Imagined Burden in my build, so they can't escape, but still walk away, which is a pain when I have a crummy roman candle.

Bhaaltazar · Jan 21, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

How about having ability to change weapon speed... with some runes or upgrades?

Rogmar · Jan 21, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Bhaaltazar

How about having ability to change weapon speed... with some runes or upgrades?

How about staying on topic?